Sometimes the crazies get together outside the asylums and form political parties and even though any knowledgeable person would recognize the insanity immediately, the arguments can have a superficial persuasiveness that can get them into office.
They offer "reasoned discourse". They lie, but here at Red State is a set of standards for any discourse involving guns. Again, any knowledgeable person will know in advance that they will never be met.
There's more. RTWT.